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profh0011
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posted May 07, 2003 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for profh0011   Click Here to Email profh0011        Reply w/Quote
With so much that's been in the news lately... would this be a good idea for a reprint collection?

How about a SGT. FURY AND HIS HOWLING COMMANDOS Masterwork??? Cover-to-cover work by Stan Lee & Jack Kirby (& Dick Ayers, I think)! The little I've seen & read of the early issues of this were incredibly FUN & EXCITING, along the lines of a movie like KELLY'S HEROES. With all the interest of late in Jack Kirby material, wouldn't this be a sure seller?

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James Friel
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posted May 07, 2003 04:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Well, I think so, at least two volumes anyway, which gets us through all the Kirby work, including the Captain America issue, and shows a good bit of the Dick Ayers too.

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KOBE27
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posted May 07, 2003 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KOBE27   Click Here to Email KOBE27        Reply w/Quote
Well, I seem to recall that, sadly, sales for DC's "war" Archives weren't that good. Of course, Sgt. Rock and Enemy Ace and Blackhawk were released before the current climates, but still...
I'd like a Sgt. Fury Masterworks, but I'd also like to see further volumes for Rock and (specially) for Blackhawk, as the really good stuff is still a few volumes away.

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Mike Falcon
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posted May 07, 2003 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Falcon   Click Here to Email Mike Falcon        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KOBE27:
Well, I seem to recall that, sadly, sales for DC's "war" Archives weren't that good. Of course, Sgt. Rock and Enemy Ace and Blackhawk were released before the current climates, but still...
I'd like a Sgt. Fury Masterworks, but I'd also like to see further volumes for Rock and (specially) for Blackhawk, as the really good stuff is still a few volumes away.

Someone quoted Bob Greenberger as saying Sgt. Rock Archives vol. #1 was the best selling Archive of 2002.

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KOBE27
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posted May 07, 2003 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KOBE27   Click Here to Email KOBE27        Reply w/Quote
Really? Well, I guess I'm glad my information was inaccurate. (So where did I get that?). I still stand by what I said, though. I'd rather see more volumes of Blackhawk. How were the sales on that one?

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Mike Falcon
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posted May 07, 2003 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Falcon   Click Here to Email Mike Falcon        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KOBE27:
Really? Well, I guess I'm glad my information was inaccurate. (So where did I get that?). I still stand by what I said, though. I'd rather see more volumes of Blackhawk. How were the sales on that one?

According to Bob Greenberger sales were good, but not stellar. I would like to see another volume of this also, as well as a volume of Unknown Soldier. However Bob hinted that a second volume of Rock is a very strong possibilty.

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Dirk
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posted May 07, 2003 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk        Reply w/Quote
I would like to see another volumes of Sgt.Rock and Enemy Ace.

I bought Sgt.Rock just a month ago, so the re-order sales couldn't be so bad.

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vze2
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posted May 07, 2003 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
Don't take this as gospel: I think Harvey Kurtzman (editor of Two-Fisted Tales and Frontline Combat for those who don't know) said that there are no good war comics, just good anti-war comics.

Would the current climate affect sales either way? I don't know, but I just want good comics.

Assuming that FF and Thor continue through the end of Kirby and Spider-Man continues, Sgt. Fury is near the top of my list. I'm not sure but I thought Kirby was done in one.

I'll buy Sgt. Rock for a long, long time. I didn't buy many war comics as a kid, probably less than 5 if you ignore team-ups in The Brave and the Bold.

I'm not sure how much of the original Enemy Ace run is left, but if there's enough, I'd buy it.

I'll buy every Blackhawk Archive that is ever produced. They won't produce the superhero era, so I can safely make the previous statement.

I'm not sure how good the early Unknown Soldier stories are, but I'm interested.

I might be interested in other war comics, especially as trades, but the above are my priorities.

As an aside, I'm thinking about picking up the ACG series reprinting Kubert's Tales of the Green Berets.

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vze2
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posted May 07, 2003 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
Something I forgot:

I think Mike Falcon is right about Sgt. Rock sales. However, I think Bob G. made seemingly contradictory statements. As I recall, he originally said that war comics sales were "disappointing." I was thrown for a loop when his later statements seemed to suggest good sales.

I can think of two ways to resolve the conflict:
1. Sales were good, but expectations were high
2. Initial sales were poor, but took off later

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted May 07, 2003 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vze2:
Something I forgot:

I think Mike Falcon is right about Sgt. Rock sales. However, I think Bob G. made seemingly contradictory statements. As I recall, he originally said that war comics sales were "disappointing." I was thrown for a loop when his later statements seemed to suggest good sales.

I can think of two ways to resolve the conflict:
1. Sales were good, but expectations were high
2. Initial sales were poor, but took off later


Because a couple of months went by between Bob's first "poor sales" comment and his later "strong sales" comment, it might be a case of slow but uncommonly steady sales. Pulling numbers out of thin air, let's say Rock had a solid 150 reorders per month, every month, compared to the usual 100 for something like Green Lantern. It takes a little while for that to make itself felt, but in the long run it looks very successful.

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James Friel
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posted May 07, 2003 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
We know that both Rock and Enemy Ace had unusually good advance orders.
My guess is that either reorder numbers were at first disappointing (until the large initial order sold through) but then took off, or figures for reorders were simply slow in being reported and processed.
Either way, once more numbers were in Bob essentially reversed his initial statement, at least as far as Sgt.Rock was concerned. Enemy Ace shipped in October, six months later than Rock, so we could yet hear the same about it.
It's Blackhawk that worries me--I really want at least a few more volumes.

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bruce
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posted May 08, 2003 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bruce        Reply w/Quote
I too would like to see another volume of Blackhawk put into the system. I was fortunate enough to pick one up at 50% off the cover and enjoyed it greatly.

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Lee Semmens
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posted May 08, 2003 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Semmens        Reply w/Quote
I would like to see Blackhawk archives continue, at least for the remainder of the 1940s run.

In my opinion, Reed Crandall's art in Blackhawk #1 is the artistic highlight of all the Golden Age archives published so far.

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